[Marketing] Moving email list to https://discourse.osgeo.org

Committees Marketing
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Dear marketting committee,

I made a motion last month to move the marketting@lists.osgeo.org email list to discourse.osgeo.org. The motion did not pass, but it did not fail either. Instead it did not get sufficient response :slight_smile:

For those who did not respond how can we help? The other topics (accepting new members) got sufficient response so it is not a case of being too busy…

My own hopes/goals for making this motion are to reflect the casual / outreach nature of the marketing committee.
We have an outreach mandate that involves being available to event organizers, foss4g service providers, and so on … so this should be a good change?

Switching to discourse.osgeo.org gives us an immediate benefit of …

  1. Not being an email list. We can be reached directly using OSGeo user id, GitHub login, any OAuth service …
    Signing up for an email list is viewed as a burden in 2024, lowering the barrier to communication can only be a good thing.
  2. Being an email list. There is some procedure for committee members to join a “group” and send/receive email from marketting@discourse.osgeo.org. This should preserve the existing workflow for anyone (like me) who does not plan to visit a website.

And the following risk:

  1. Moderation: While there is some risk in public communication, especially for something called “marketting” we will need to try this out in public. There are of course block and moderation controls in discourse. There is also a members-only option to limit interaction to those who have “joined the group” (established for email notifications) - but I would prefer to try being accessible to the public first.

Mechanics of transition:

  1. Setup https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/marketting discourse; filled with content from the mailman archive history.
  2. Associate marketing@osgeo.org email address with group; this would be used for those interacting like an email list.
  3. Update wiki instructions on committee communication
  4. During transition marketing@lists.osgeo.org email list footer would provide instructions liking to wiki above
  5. After 1 month shut off mailman, collect e-mail archives that have occurred in the meantime. Apparently OSM took about a month to make the transition.

References:

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Jody Garnett

2

Thanks, Jody.

If my vote hasn’t yet been registered as a committee member – I believe I was a community member when the motion was made – please note me as a +1.

Thanks, again.

From: Marketing marketing-bounces@lists.osgeo.org On Behalf Of Jody Garnett via Marketing
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2024 1:28 PM
To: OSGeo Marketing marketing@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: [Marketing] Moving email list to https://discourse.osgeo.org

Dear marketting committee,

I made a motion last month to move the marketting@lists.osgeo.org email list to discourse.osgeo.org. The motion did not pass, but it did not fail either. Instead it did not get sufficient response :slight_smile:

For those who did not respond how can we help? The other topics (accepting new members) got sufficient response so it is not a case of being too busy…

My own hopes/goals for making this motion are to reflect the casual / outreach nature of the marketing committee.

We have an outreach mandate that involves being available to event organizers, foss4g service providers, and so on … so this should be a good change?

Switching to discourse.osgeo.org gives us an immediate benefit of …

  1. Not being an email list. We can be reached directly using OSGeo user id, GitHub login, any OAuth service …
    Signing up for an email list is viewed as a burden in 2024, lowering the barrier to communication can only be a good thing.
  2. Being an email list. There is some procedure for committee members to join a “group” and send/receive email from marketting@discourse.osgeo.org. This should preserve the existing workflow for anyone (like me) who does not plan to visit a website.

And the following risk:

  1. Moderation: While there is some risk in public communication, especially for something called “marketting” we will need to try this out in public. There are of course block and moderation controls in discourse. There is also a members-only option to limit interaction to those who have “joined the group” (established for email notifications) - but I would prefer to try being accessible to the public first.

Mechanics of transition:

  1. Setup https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/marketting discourse; filled with content from the mailman archive history.
  2. Associate marketing@osgeo.org email address with group; this would be used for those interacting like an email list.
  3. Update wiki instructions on committee communication
  4. During transition marketing@lists.osgeo.org email list footer would provide instructions liking to wiki above
  5. After 1 month shut off mailman, collect e-mail archives that have occurred in the meantime. Apparently OSM took about a month to make the transition.

References:

–

Jody Garnett

3

Same here, +1 on moving to discourse.

Thanks for bringing it up again Jody.

Best
Jorge

On 2024-05-01 23:01, Scott McHale via Marketing wrote:

Thanks, Jody.

If my vote hasn’t yet been registered as a committee member – I believe I was a community member when the motion was made – please note me as a +1.

Thanks, again.

*From:*Marketing <marketing-bounces@lists.osgeo.org> *On Behalf Of *Jody Garnett via Marketing
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 1, 2024 1:28 PM
*To:* OSGeo Marketing <marketing@lists.osgeo.org>
*Subject:* [Marketing] Moving email list to https://discourse.osgeo.org

Dear marketting committee,

I made a motion last month to move the marketting@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:marketting@lists.osgeo.org> email list to discourse.osgeo.org <http://discourse.osgeo.org>. The motion did not pass, but it did not fail either. Instead it did not get sufficient response :slight_smile:

For those who did not respond how can we help? The other topics (accepting new members) got sufficient response so it is not a case of being too busy...

My own hopes/goals for making this motion are to reflect the casual / outreach nature of the marketing committee.

We have an outreach mandate that involves being available to event organizers, foss4g service providers, and so on .. so this should be a good change?

Switching to discourse.osgeo.org <http://discourse.osgeo.org> gives us an immediate benefit of ...

1. Not being an email list. We can be reached directly using OSGeo
    user id, GitHub login, any OAuth service ...
    Signing up for an email list is viewed as a burden in 2024,
    lowering the barrier to communication can only be a good thing.
2. Being an email list. There is some procedure for committee members
    to join a "group" and send/receive email from
    marketting@discourse.osgeo.org
    <mailto:marketting@discourse.osgeo.org>. This should preserve the
    existing workflow for anyone (like me) who does not plan to visit
    a website.

And the following risk:

1. Moderation: While there is some risk in public communication,
    especially for something called "marketting" we will need to try
    this out in public. There are of course block and moderation
    controls in discourse. There is also a members-only option to
    limit interaction to those who have "joined the group"
    (established for email notifications) - but I would prefer to try
    being accessible to the public first.

Mechanics of transition:

1. Setup https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/marketting discourse; filled
    with content from the mailman archive history.
2. Associate marketing@osgeo.org email address with group; this would
    be used for those interacting like an email list.
3. Update wiki instructions on committee communication
4. During transition marketing@lists.osgeo.org email list footer
    would provide instructions liking to wiki above
5. After 1 month shut off mailman, collect e-mail archives that have
    occurred in the meantime. Apparently OSM took about a month to
    make the transition.

References:

  * How do I use Discourse via email
    <https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/how-do-i-use-discourse-via-email/15279&gt;
  * https://github.com/geoserver/geoserver/wiki/GSIP-225

--

Jody Garnett

_______________________________________________
Marketing mailing list
Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

--
Jorge Sanz |https://www.osgeo.org/member/jorge-sanz/

4

Sorry, I missed the motion.

+1 from my side too.

Astrid

Am 02.05.2024 10:51 schrieb Jorge Sanz via Marketing:

Same here, +1 on moving to discourse.

Thanks for bringing it up again Jody.

Best
Jorge

On 2024-05-01 23:01, Scott McHale via Marketing wrote:

Thanks, Jody.

If my vote hasn’t yet been registered as a committee member – I
believe I was a community member when the motion was made – please
note me as a +1.

Thanks, again.

FROM: Marketing <marketing-bounces@lists.osgeo.org> ON BEHALF OF
Jody Garnett via Marketing
SENT: Wednesday, May 1, 2024 1:28 PM
TO: OSGeo Marketing <marketing@lists.osgeo.org>
SUBJECT: [Marketing] Moving email list to
https://discourse.osgeo.org [2]

Dear marketting committee,

I made a motion last month to move the marketting@lists.osgeo.org
email list to discourse.osgeo.org [3]. The motion did not pass, but
it did not fail either. Instead it did not get sufficient response
:slight_smile:

For those who did not respond how can we help? The other topics
(accepting new members) got sufficient response so it is not a case
of being too busy...

My own hopes/goals for making this motion are to reflect the casual
/ outreach nature of the marketing committee.

We have an outreach mandate that involves being available to event
organizers, foss4g service providers, and so on .. so this should be
a good change?

Switching to discourse.osgeo.org [3] gives us an immediate benefit
of ...

* Not being an email list. We can be reached directly using OSGeo
user id, GitHub login, any OAuth service ...
Signing up for an email list is viewed as a burden in 2024,
lowering the barrier to communication can only be a good thing. *
Being an email list. There is some procedure for committee members
to join a "group" and send/receive email from
marketting@discourse.osgeo.org. This should preserve the existing
workflow for anyone (like me) who does not plan to visit a website.

And the following risk:

* Moderation: While there is some risk in public communication,
especially for something called "marketting" we will need to try
this out in public. There are of course block and moderation
controls in discourse. There is also a members-only option to limit
interaction to those who have "joined the group" (established for
email notifications) - but I would prefer to try being accessible to
the public first.

Mechanics of transition:

* Setup https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/marketting [4] discourse;
filled with content from the mailman archive history.
* Associate marketing@osgeo.org email address with group; this
would be used for those interacting like an email list.
* Update wiki instructions on committee communication
* During transition marketing@lists.osgeo.org email list footer
would provide instructions liking to wiki above
* After 1 month shut off mailman, collect e-mail archives that
have occurred in the meantime. Apparently OSM took about a month to
make the transition.

References:

* How do I use Discourse via email [5]
* https://github.com/geoserver/geoserver/wiki/GSIP-225 [6]

--

Jody Garnett

_______________________________________________
Marketing mailing list
Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing [1]

--
Jorge Sanz | https://www.osgeo.org/member/jorge-sanz/ [7]

Links:
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[1] https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
[2] https://discourse.osgeo.org
[3] http://discourse.osgeo.org
[4] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/marketting
[5] https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/how-do-i-use-discourse-via-email/15279
[6] https://github.com/geoserver/geoserver/wiki/GSIP-225
[7] https://www.osgeo.org/member/jorge-sanz/

_______________________________________________
Marketing mailing list
Marketing@lists.osgeo.org
https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

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+1

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Bob Basques

bbasques@sharedgeo.org
612.598.9210

6

The move appears complete, contact details updated:

Instructions somewhat provided:

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