[GRASS-dev] minor tweak to new website

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On the new download pages, I just noticed that the dev versions are referenced like this:

GRASS GIS 7.9 devel (unstable)

This implies that GRASS 7.9 is risky and perhaps minimally useable. The reality is that it works very well but has some new features that might be buggy or might change. While we want to indicate these differences from the current stable version, we don’t want to discourage people from trying it (and reporting any issues).

I suggest that we reference it as

GRASS GIS 7.9 devel (development)

Or

GRASS GIS 7.9 devel (preview)

Michael

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On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 5:49 PM Michael Barton <Michael.Barton@asu.edu> wrote:

On the new download pages, I just noticed that the dev versions are referenced like this:

GRASS GIS 7.9 devel (unstable)

This implies that GRASS 7.9 is risky and perhaps minimally useable. The reality is that it works very well but has some new features that might be buggy or might change. While we want to indicate these differences from the current stable version, we don’t want to discourage people from trying it (and reporting any issues).

I suggest that we reference it as

GRASS GIS 7.9 devel (development)

Or

GRASS GIS 7.9 devel (preview)

+1 good point, it indeed works well, and is in my experience more stable than many other software tools I use(d).

Michael

C. Michael Barton
Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & Ecological Sciences
Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems
Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change
Arizona State University
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I agree with Michael’s suggestion too, Helena

On Jan 15, 2021, at 2:10 PM, Paulo van Breugel <p.vanbreugel@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 5:49 PM Michael Barton <Michael.Barton@asu.edu> wrote:
On the new download pages, I just noticed that the dev versions are referenced like this:

GRASS GIS 7.9 devel (unstable)

This implies that GRASS 7.9 is risky and perhaps minimally useable. The reality is that it works very well but has some new features that might be buggy or might change. While we want to indicate these differences from the current stable version, we don’t want to discourage people from trying it (and reporting any issues).

I suggest that we reference it as

GRASS GIS 7.9 devel (development)

Or

GRASS GIS 7.9 devel (preview)

+1 good point, it indeed works well, and is in my experience more stable than many other software tools I use(d).

Michael

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Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & Ecological Sciences
Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems
Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change
Arizona State University
Tempe, AZ 85287-2402
USA

voice: 480-965-6262 (SHESC), 480-965-8130/727-9746 (CSDC)
fax: 480-965-7671(SHESC), 480-727-0709 (CSDC)
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Am 15. Januar 2021 17:35:43 MEZ schrieb Michael Barton <Michael.Barton@asu.edu>:

On the new download pages, I just noticed that the dev versions are referenced like this:

GRASS GIS 7.9 devel (unstable)

This implies that GRASS 7.9 is risky and perhaps minimally useable. The reality is that it works very well but has some new features that might be buggy or might change. While we want to indicate these differences from the current stable version, we don’t want to discourage people from trying it (and reporting any issues).

I suggest that we reference it as

GRASS GIS 7.9 devel (development)

+1

Moritz

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Hi,

If I may:

Devel (development) has wording redundancy.

What about…7.9 snapshot (under development)

Regards from a lurker that admires the effort you guys put in.

Zoltan

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On 15 Jan 2021, at 21:21, Helena Mitasova <hmitaso@ncsu.edu> wrote:

I agree with Michael’s suggestion too, Helena

> On Jan 15, 2021, at 2:10 PM, Paulo van Breugel <p.vanbreugel@gmail.com> wrote:
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>  On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 5:49 PM Michael Barton <Michael.Barton@asu.edu> wrote:
>  On the new download pages, I just noticed that the dev versions are referenced like this:
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>  GRASS GIS 7.9 devel (unstable)
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>  This implies that GRASS 7.9 is risky and perhaps minimally useable. The reality is that it works very well but has some new features that might be buggy or might change. While we want to indicate these differences from the current stable version, we don’t want to discourage people from trying it (and reporting any issues).
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>  I suggest that we reference it as
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>  GRASS GIS 7.9 devel (development)
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>  Or
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>  GRASS GIS 7.9 devel (preview)
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>  +1 good point, it indeed works well, and is in my experience more stable than many other software tools I use(d).
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>  Michael
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>  C. Michael Barton 
>  Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
>  Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & Ecological Sciences
>  Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems
>  Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change
>  Arizona State University
>  Tempe, AZ  85287-2402
>  USA
>  
>  voice: 480-965-6262 (SHESC), 480-965-8130/727-9746 (CSDC)
>  fax: 480-965-7671(SHESC), 480-727-0709 (CSDC)
>  www: [http://shesc.asu.edu](http://shesc.asu.edu), 
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>  [https://complexity.asu.edu](https://complexity.asu.edu), 
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+1

-jeff

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On 2021-01-15 3:14 p.m., Helena Mitasova wrote:

I agree with Michael’s suggestion too, Helena

On Jan 15, 2021, at 2:10 PM, Paulo van Breugel <p.vanbreugel@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 5:49 PM Michael Barton <Michael.Barton@asu.edu> wrote:
On the new download pages, I just noticed that the dev versions are referenced like this:

GRASS GIS 7.9 devel (unstable)

This implies that GRASS 7.9 is risky and perhaps minimally useable. The reality is that it works very well but has some new features that might be buggy or might change. While we want to indicate these differences from the current stable version, we don’t want to discourage people from trying it (and reporting any issues).

I suggest that we reference it as

GRASS GIS 7.9 devel (development)

Or

GRASS GIS 7.9 devel (preview)

+1 good point, it indeed works well, and is in my experience more stable than many other software tools I use(d).

Michael

______________________________

C. Michael Barton
Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & Ecological Sciences
Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems
Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change
Arizona State University
Tempe, AZ 85287-2402
USA

voice: 480-965-6262 (SHESC), 480-965-8130/727-9746 (CSDC)
fax: 480-965-7671(SHESC), 480-727-0709 (CSDC)
www: http://shesc.asu.edu,

https://complexity.asu.edu,

http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton

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North Carolina State University
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You are correct about the redundancy. I was trying to make the change as minor as possible. A somewhat better listing would be

GRASS GIS 7.8.5 (current stable)

GRASS GIS 7.6.1 (legacy) [change from “old”]

GRASS GIS 7.9 (preview) [“development” is OK, but “preview” sounds more inviting for use]

Michael

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C. Michael Barton
Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & Ecological Sciences
Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems
Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change
Arizona State University
Tempe, AZ 85287-2402
USA

voice: 480-965-6262 (SHESC), 480-965-8130/727-9746 (CSDC)
fax: 480-965-7671(SHESC), 480-727-0709 (CSDC)
www: http://shesc.asu.edu,

https://complexity.asu.edu,

http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton

From: Zoltan zoltans@geograph.co.za
Date: Friday, January 15, 2021 at 2:04 PM
To: Helena Mitasova hmitaso@ncsu.edu
Cc: Newcomb, Doug via grass-dev grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org, Michael Barton Michael.Barton@asu.edu, Paulo van Breugel p.vanbreugel@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [GRASS-dev] minor tweak to new website

Hi,

If I may:

Devel (development) has wording redundancy.

What about…7.9 snapshot (under development)

Regards from a lurker that admires the effort you guys put in.

Zoltan

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On 15 Jan 2021, at 21:21, Helena Mitasova <hmitaso@ncsu.edu> wrote:

I agree with Michael’s suggestion too, Helena

 On Jan 15, 2021, at 2:10 PM, Paulo van Breugel <p.vanbreugel@gmail.com> wrote:
 
 
 
 On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 5:49 PM Michael Barton <Michael.Barton@asu.edu> wrote:
 On the new download pages, I just noticed that the dev versions are referenced like this:
 
  
 
 GRASS GIS 7.9 devel (unstable)
 
  
 
 This implies that GRASS 7.9 is risky and perhaps minimally useable. The reality is that it works very well but has some new features that might be buggy or might change. While we want to indicate these differences from the current stable version, we don’t want to discourage people from trying it (and reporting any issues).
 
  
 
 I suggest that we reference it as
 
  
 
 GRASS GIS 7.9 devel (development)
 
  
 
 Or
 
  
 
 GRASS GIS 7.9 devel (preview)
 
 
 
 
 +1 good point, it indeed works well, and is in my experience more stable than many other software tools I use(d).
 
  
  
 
 Michael
 


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On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 10:12 PM Michael Barton <Michael.Barton@asu.edu> wrote:

You are correct about the redundancy. I was trying to make the change as minor as possible. A somewhat better listing would be

GRASS GIS 7.8.5 (current stable)

GRASS GIS 7.6.1 (legacy) [change from “old”]

GRASS GIS 7.9 (preview) [“development” is OK, but “preview” sounds more inviting for use]

I like the new wording.

Markus

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On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 4:12 PM Michael Barton <Michael.Barton@asu.edu> wrote:

You are correct about the redundancy. I was trying to make the change as minor as possible. A somewhat better listing would be

GRASS GIS 7.8.5 (current stable)

GRASS GIS 7.6.1 (legacy) [change from “old”]

GRASS GIS 7.9 (preview) [“development” is OK, but “preview” sounds more inviting for use]

+1 for legacy and especially preview, I like that a lot!

I’m unsure about “current stable”. It seems like one of the works might be enough. I thought stable should be enough, but PostgreSQL actually uses Current in documentation just be itself. Isn’t there a noun “release” implied in each of those? Aren’t all releases stable unless noted otherwise? Isn’t then “stable” redundant? Anyway, I like the proposal even as is.

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I agree one word is better than two. Maybe just current.

Michael Barton
School of Human Evolution &Social Change
School of Complex Adaptive System Science
Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
Arizona State University

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On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 4:12 PM Michael Barton <Michael.Barton@asu.edu> wrote:

You are correct about the redundancy. I was trying to make the change as minor as possible. A somewhat better listing would be

GRASS GIS 7.8.5 (current stable)

GRASS GIS 7.6.1 (legacy) [change from “old”]

GRASS GIS 7.9 (preview) [“development” is OK, but “preview” sounds more inviting for use]

+1 for legacy and especially preview, I like that a lot!

I’m unsure about “current stable”. It seems like one of the works might be enough. I thought stable should be enough, but PostgreSQL actually uses Current in documentation just be itself. Isn’t there a noun “release” implied in each of those? Aren’t all releases stable unless noted otherwise? Isn’t then “stable” redundant? Anyway, I like the proposal even as is.

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Agreed, ‘preview’ is better.

Regards,

Zoltan

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On 16 Jan 2021, at 02:17, Markus Neteler <neteler@osgeo.org> wrote:

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 10:12 PM Michael Barton <Michael.Barton@asu.edu> wrote:

> You are correct about the redundancy. I was trying to make the change as minor as possible. A somewhat better listing would be
> 
>  GRASS GIS 7.8.5 (current stable)
> 
>  GRASS GIS 7.6.1 (legacy) [change from “old”]
> 
>  GRASS GIS 7.9 (preview) [“development” is OK, but “preview” sounds more inviting for use]

I like the new wording.

Markus
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Hi everyone,

I just created a PR with the proposed changes:

https://github.com/OSGeo/grass-website/pull/244

best,
Vero

El sáb., 16 ene. 2021 02:34, Zoltan <zoltans@geograph.co.za> escribió:

Agreed, ‘preview’ is better.

Regards,

Zoltan

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On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 10:12 PM Michael Barton <[Michael.Barton@asu.edu](mailto:Michael.Barton@asu.edu)> wrote:

> You are correct about the redundancy. I was trying to make the change as minor as possible. A somewhat better listing would be
> 
>  GRASS GIS 7.8.5 (current stable)
> 
>  GRASS GIS 7.6.1 (legacy) [change from “old”]
> 
>  GRASS GIS 7.9 (preview) [“development” is OK, but “preview” sounds more inviting for use]

I like the new wording.

Markus

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Thanks

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Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & Ecological Sciences
Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems
Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change
Arizona State University
Tempe, AZ 85287-2402
USA

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On Jan 16, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Veronica Andreo <veroandreo@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi everyone,

I just created a PR with the proposed changes:

https://github.com/OSGeo/grass-website/pull/244

best,
Vero

El sáb., 16 ene. 2021 02:34, Zoltan <zoltans@geograph.co.za> escribió:

Agreed, ‘preview’ is better.

Regards,

Zoltan

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On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 10:12 PM Michael Barton <[Michael.Barton@asu.edu](mailto:Michael.Barton@asu.edu)> wrote:

> You are correct about the redundancy. I was trying to make the change as minor as possible. A somewhat better listing would be
> 
>  GRASS GIS 7.8.5 (current stable)
> 
>  GRASS GIS 7.6.1 (legacy) [change from “old”]
> 
>  GRASS GIS 7.9 (preview) [“development” is OK, but “preview” sounds more inviting for use]

I like the new wording.

Markus

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